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    Just watched some interesting street level talks between Peter Schiff and Occupy Protesters, while eating.
    Got to rise my hat for Peter for holding his ground against uneducated opinions, at least some of them are listening, these are not hardcore ''Bernie crowd'', if he would be speaking to those people, they would just scream at him, since they dont have so much argument and after that beat him.


     
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    WOW STORM! I LOVE IT ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!

    Great thread so lets get it started shall we? :D. So first off I love Peter Schiff! He is a true capitalist and a liberal (in a correct meaning of the word, not the distorted liberals versions nowadays). I still remember learning at university and getting my bachelors in economics and listening to him and his weekly reports predicting everything in exact details and being totally stunned at this man! And he actually preaches OWNING THE REAL GOLD IN PHYSICAL FORM!

    But aside from that what I loved about him is that he is never afraid to be contrarian and preach some sanity in people. For example he dismantled Paul Krugman sooooo fucking bad and this guy Paul Krugman tried to tell my country how to run it's economy. Fucking pathetic Keynesian shit. I do not like, trust nor believe in Keynesian economics I do recognize there is a short term positive effect but in the long run it's devastating for the economy and it's like injecting Heroin JUST ONCE to check if it ups your overall mood,- ofc it does. So?....??... The system is rigged and people just don't understand capitalism anymore.

     
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    Well yeah Schiff is right on most points I think, but not in all of them what becomes to question '' what is good system in terms of economics''. I think the correct term is ''libertarian'' what he is, not liberal, since liberal means more like socialist at least in America I believe. On my opinion he is right about the fundamentals, capitalism is perhaps the best system for wealth of nations and people who live inside them. But when it gets twisted and manipulated the problems come in big time. Yes governments should not bail out big business or banks when they get into trouble, since otherwise they keep doing the harmful and risky behaviour that made the problem first place. When you reward somebody for doing something very risky and then they fail big time, you can be sure they keep doing it again. Governments should not have the power in fist place to use tax payers money to bail out them, it should be central banks who clean the mess, in way that does not rise inflation.

    Its bad for economical sense, but also from moral point of view; when normal entrepreneur fails he has to pick up the pieces himself, there is no bail outs for him.

    Anyways it would be so long list If I would write about everything I agree with him, since its like 90 % of his opinions, but to make things interesting to write about things I do not agree with him.

    Free markets; free market is great system to have when thing really are fair inside the market place. Now it is not so, since pretty much all commodities prices are manipulated by big banks. This takes large part the profit off from the producer of said commodity and from normal investor, good example is gold ( Schiff is a physical bullion dealer if I remember correct ) gold would be probably be ten times worth what it is now, if not for so called paper gold ( banks print I-Own-You securities of gold that they do not even have and this drives price down ), so why they do it then ? Because when they buy those papers price go up and when they sell it price goes down, simply when they make the transaction with billion and billions of dollars. The margin between these two, low - high price is their profit range (volatility ). And they do it every day, again and again and it has nothing to do with real life production or factors that normally change prices, things like laws of demand and supply. Its simply manipulation and rigged system. And its so EASY when you have the capital for it, and the biggest banks do. You can thank me later for telling you this :D

    Anyways where Schiff fits in all of this; He sells gold and predicts that price will rise soon and he points to the oncoming hyper inflation to prove this, but guys like him are smart enough to know, that as long as the prices are manipulated by said banks, there will not be huge rise on the price, since these banks want to make profit again and again, if there is only one final rise on the price, you can only make profit for one time of course. The gold price will rise at some point when the paper printing and price manipulation ends, but this may take one month or 50 years, but I am not privy in to such information, but its quite safe to assume that this happens since there are so much of these paper securities floating about and it is not really backed by real item.


    Hmm there are lot of other issues I disagree with him also, like soon to come hyper inflation, interest rates, to regulations and basic level welfare. But this is already quite long post so...
     
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    Great friggin points! I could add to that some stuff tho. I do believe that Schiff's company also deals his own kinda I-OWE-YOUS in form of you not having to own the real gold, but simply own rights to gold backed 100% of real physical gold that his company can provide. So meaning he does give out a type of CDF's,- not manipulative derivatives like options or forwards, meaning that CDF that he gives to his clients will simply be exchanged for cash or physical gold whenever the client decides to terminate the contract at the current market price.

    Side note the problematic devices are the derivatives,- especially not standardized by the exchanges. But even those are very speculative and can be very dangerous since OBVIOUSLY nobody can ever predict the price of gold. So when these banks trade in those derivatives and ofc not physical gold the problem for them is that any fluctuation OUTSIDE the predicted norm can cause a major panic since there is either A. Not enough physical real gold to back those contracts or B. The loosing side suffers just HUGE fucking losses putting him/her/it on a brink of total bankruptcy (aka the margin call scenario). So yes you are completely valid Storm, but I do believe that huge UNCONTROLLABLE price fluctuations even by these big banks can and eventually WILL happen just like Schiff predicts it. As I am sure you know Storm those banking analysts are using one or the other form of VAR analysis (doesn't matter how simple or complex model is) and the asset behaviors OUTSIDE the norm (aka outside 95%-99% confidence intervals) are SURE TO HAPPEN at one time or the other and that's when the too big to fail institutions are completely and majorly FUCKED since they were essentially speculating and not investing,- especially since they do that with the money they DO NOT OWN essentially meaning it's the clients money that those investment banks were spending on these contracts.
     
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    Amen...
     
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    Well its kind of a I-Own-You security if he (Schiff ) takes their money and give them paper that says he owns them this and this much gold. But what Iv heard some 95 % (more or less ) of all gold is kind of I - Own - You type of security that is not even backed by any kind of real deposit of gold. These are the majority kind of ''assets'', but at least Schiff has his own backed ( I do not know, since iv really have not studied his business for couple years now ). This majority kind of ''gold'' is unallocated and its not meant for value storage type of security ( like physical or allocated gold ) but it is an instrument to manipulate prices of said commodities as I pointed above. Actually this reminds me of old monetary systems ( as you very likely know, in old days money were actually pieces of precious metal, then it become paper money that was backed by metals, in those days banks and bankers did often print more of these deposit notes ( soon to come paper money ) than they actually had in their vaults ! ), since they are still doing this kind of deposit printing scheme and trade with them to manipulate the prices! So as you said, it is a kind of game of musical chairs, when the music stop playing, one who holds these rotten papers can use them as toilet paper :D.



    Its exactly what happened with mortgage securities back in 2008 when the bubble did burst, banks who did hold these low quality loans, did find them to be default and then the shit hit the fan. They are still doing it with all of these different types of instruments. It is actually just matter of time when it bursts. But yeah back to Schiff, I do not think that he is right about everything, like hyperinflation that is soon coming, what they always leave out of their rhetoric ( Schiff and Maloney and others ), that there is so much debt in system that it is holding inflation at bay.
     
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    Yeah well like always nice points. I do have to say I do believe in hyperinflation happening eventually unless all of the debtor nations kinda will decide to forgive debts that they owe to each other (don't think politicians will be smart like that) and creditor nations like China will agree to either restructure the debts or get back currencies with much less purchasing power (btw possibly having this effect from the same heightened inflation if not all out hyperinflation). One fact I think we both can't ignore that prices really do tend to rise far more than the average salaries do (even eye test can show us that,- no need for government statistical agencies that sometimes tend to massage the numbers if you know what I mean?)
     
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    Now you get into interesting point. People like Schiff and Maloney always predicts hyperinflation, and they have heavy self interest to do so, since they are selling gold to protect people from dangers of ''hyperinflation'', but why there would be hyperinflation because of debt? I did think many years ago that because of the central banks money printing there would be hyperinflation but now I think that it is not the case ( talking about US dollar and Euro here ). Why I think this;

    1. The new money created By banks is accompanied with debt ( meaning that the loaner have to pay the principal back AND the interest, and if you know how money is being created on system via fractional reserve banking, interest is something that does not exist, so debt itself has an subtractive effect on money supply.

    2. How newly created money is being used; well typical horror scene of hyperinflation is from 1920's The Weimar republic, everybody has heard horror tales about people going to shop with wheelbarrows to buy an loaf of bread, and when they actually arrive there, the price is already 2 wheelbarrows full of cash. Now this was result of German government printing insane amounts of money to fund the WW1, people did save their money during the war, but when it ended they went shopping and hyperinflation did arrive. So the money they did create ( print ) during war was meant of consummation and they did print too much of it and too fast. Well to make long story short; Modern currencies are debt based and when they do increase the money supply ( central banks ) they do it step By step and wait the debt to eat away the money supply from other end ( since in fractional reserve system when debt is paid back to bank, it disappears from money supply but the interest of said debt stays as profit to bank ).

    3. savings and velocity of money circulation; most people in West dont save currencies but they take loans and buy it back tomorrow, they save usually in form of housing or car and pay it back monthly. Well when there are no savings, there are is no ''extra'' currency suddenly to be unleashed on economy like in Weimar republic, how things are actually is now opposite in West; most people are scrambling to just pay their bills.

    IMO problems of future will be in dollar and euro zone that there is no money to pay standing debts back, public and Private, so the result is likely going to be deflation, not hyperinflation. If things continue as they have, but there might be changes with factors like Trump.
     
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    Fucking excellent points. And yes I would agree on them in face value meaning ofc the money supply is "eaten up" after the debt is paid back ofc only if it's paid back to the Central Bank and not anybody else so to speak (public or corporations), because else money still remains in circulation obviously. Again we are taking very simple very pure government debt I-OWE-YOUS meaning treasury bonds issued by US government treasury basically with different longevities. Now there are still 2 problems that do contradict the notion of not having inflation or rise in prises in modern monetary system going forward.

    First 20 trillion USA debt (not all of it treasury bills ofc, but for the sake of the argument lets continue with this figure) I think Schiff points out that eventually they will have to monetize that debt assuming they will pay back the nations who gave them credit. Other scenarios are possible, but they could get us to WW3, because not paying this would mean lots of conflict. Now ofc the method FED can and most likely will use (even tho ofc it doesn't belong to USA government directly and is "private") is monetizing the debt. Monetizing means basically printing money. Now it doesn't matter as how exactly it will look like. It maybe in form of massive QE or via just unconstitutional simple printing without basically nobody saying anything nor it being rightly documented. Because right now when we talking about printing we have to understand about 90% of it is in form of the numbers of "0s" on virtual devices and computers. Such an easy thing to mingle with. All this money mostly will trickle from top down meaning the wealthiest people get their share first so to speak (bankers) and from that the massive increase of money supply and cheap money will trickle down to a great spike in inflation. Now ofc FED doesn't action this way YET. But the problem is that there are very limited options for the future:

    A. Fuck over the Creditor Nations
    B. Continue to issue treasuries to cover the existing debt (ENDLESS CYCLE, BUT MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE),- basically a Ponzi Scheme that is going to collapse with a bang. Plus this does put a FED in a position to be the sole buyer of these treasuries in perpetuity (explained below as in option C).
    C. Monetize the debt,- illegally. For example Treasury issues negative interest rate bonds with FED becoming the only buyer of these bonds (negative interest rates bonds already exist btw). Totally illegal system, but there has been evidence ALREADY that FED does act through shadow accounts as the lone buyer of the treasuries in the primary market because public and Creditor nations already do not trust USA and plus their rating has been recently dropped if you remember, although personally their rating should be fucking F. As you know FED can action ONLY on the secondary markets, but this may simply not be the case anymore and more in the future. That way ofc Creditor Nations still get fucked over, but if this will be done as a shadow operation they won't know until ofc they get the dollars with extremely low purchasing power in USA. Ofc they will know eventually and it's still a fuckover.
    D. Raise taxes (not an option at this point I believe explained below)

    Now ofc if we get very technical then more taxing will lead to higher prices, but not inflation aka not caused by the unproductive increase in money supply, but the effect will really be the same. Unproductivity and very high prices for the consumer. This will be additionally problematic since USA is working with TREMENDOUS deficits with one of the biggest EFFECTIVE tax rates in the world. Job loss and depression doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that this system is FUCKED AND TAXING MORE ISN'T AN OPTION!

    So yes anywhere you turn it's a fuckover and a HUGE rise in prices for the consumer or WW3 or major conflict,- that's my predicitions as unfortunate as they seem. That's why if Trump does see this side of the equasion he is the ONLY one I believe who at least has the CAPACITY to do something about it. If he does or no I can't predict at all.
     
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    You bring interesting points up here, btw Mae it so nice to have this conversation with you, since people with whom you can do this is so few. You know a lot about these things.


    Yes about nature of debt and inflation; First of one must understand how monetary systems works, to estimate what is going on. To begin with, every dollar or euro out there is somebody's debt, only way new currency is being created is via process of lending. There is no fixed amount of currency floating about but only as much as banks have created it. If we think about it little bit further, you understand that with loan process there is always the interest added as well and this is the money that does not simply exist yet. So by its nature. debt based monetary system is anti inflation. But then one could ask, if this is so why has US dollar lost 95 % of its value in last 100 years, well I believe the answer is that when the debt - currency balance is going past certain tipping point, the currency becomes deflationary, before 2000's there was so much new credit being created that the currency was in inflation ( US dollar ), only now there is signs for opposite effect and that is because of huge amount of debt that privet and public, persons and organizations posses ( the process of debt paying is lagging behind the creation of new credit, for example; US government is now paying back the loans they took at 80's ! ). To complicate things little bit; same dollar or euro that was created with loan process can be actually loaned multiple time between several party's ( there is no limit to that ) and all of these debt based transactions have interest added into them that does not simply exist and that's why it is anti inflationary when past certain point.

    You bring the same point that Schiff and others bring up, but is it really so? I agree with the guy with basic libertarian fundamentals, but what becomes to hyperinflation; I don't think so. The low interest rates is sign of very low inflation, if there would be danger of high inflation, they would raise interest rate levels ( central banks ), second major factor is that Us and Euro economies are not doing that well again and are losing on trade balance and this means wealth is being sucked out from these areas.

    Now to the issue of massive public debt ( yeah we can use US some 20 trillion dollars debt as example, but as generally I have been speaking about Us and Euro zones above ), So how is it going to end ? Often I think about it, but hard to say for sure, really tough one. I like to address your points A - D


    A. Yes actually an option that could happen under President like Trump, since US is still maybe the largest economy in the world, that gives you much room for muscle tactics. If the loaner is stronger than the lender, the loaner just might not want to pay back. There are other little bit less strong arm tactics that can be used also like negotiating to cut the debts or to post pone the payments and so on. Yes a possibility. But this is nothing that would lead to hyper inflation.



    Ps. Now that I think about this, I think there is some 90 % chance that USA under Trump will do all I listed above. Just to remind you; this is exactly what he did with his private business back in the day !


    B. Yeah this is going to keep happening,FED is already buying US debt via shadow companies and such and they are doing QE programs, which is basically buying up federal debt from after market.

    But now into interesting question, something I often wonder; Is it possible to keep this cycle of endless debt keep rolling? In the end its just numbers on screen and since there is so much debt around as I pointed above, the result might not be grass level hyperinflation. You say that it is mathematically impossible, but is it really? It would not work with private business or even with small nation state ( like Greece ), but with USA...they could say that if we don't get the credit we need, we don't pay back the old debt, or as last resort FED would just keep bankrolling the government. USA is way too big to become insolvent, from point of lenders view. The lenders do not want that to happen. They could afford maybe Greece to become insolvent, but not USA.


    C. Same as B.


    D. Yep this would have been the direction with democrats victory. I am sure we agree, high taxes are poison to economy. In my country, only solution they know for state budget deficit is more and higher taxes. They do not know nothing else.



    But I am far from sure when not believing in soon to come hyperinflation, but it seems quite unlikely. If the monetary policies would be in hands of governments in USA and Euro zone, THAT would lead to hyperinflation, since only other thing they know besides raising taxes, is money printing of course (without debt added into it ! ) :D
     
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    Yeah I disagree with the Hyper inflation scene. But I also disagree with raising the interest rates as Schiff and some of the others are pressing on. On the opposite, low interest rates at Dollar and Euro zone are here to stay. This is because interest rates should reflect the overall inflation of said currency. Its an protective mechanism, if there is low or no inflation ( as it is now ) the interest rate should be low. On the other hand, if there would be high inflation ( like with Russian rouble ) the interest rate should be high ( high interest rate cleans inflation off ). Good example is Finnish mark ( before euro ) when I was boy, it had high interest rate, it was a mess, nobody could keep up with it since it was all over the place. It had high inflation because it was a tool for government and their primary interest was funding public spending with it, this lead into high inflation. This is one of the main reasons why politicians do not have any more monetary politics in their hands in Euro and dollar zone.

    If they would raise interest rates lets say a huge 5 % in dollar and euro zone, that would simply explode the economy, Imagine all those loans that are now with couple percent interest rate, how could the loaners pay them back, it would be a weapon of mass destruction. To simplify; raising interest rate basically increases the over all debt of currency area, don't you think we have debt enough already ?


    Schiff, Maloney and others, they keep advertising for higher interest rates, but it would be disaster if done now.


    I also disagree with their view that higher interest rates are good for saving and for people who like to save, Whaaaat? If there are high interest rates, that usually means also high inflation running, and inflation is not good for savings !

    But I agree with their libertarian views like small government, low taxes and so on.
     
  12. Well, Trump wants ex-New York Mayor Guiliani - a strong supporter of his - as his Secretary Of State, so I wouldn't put too much hope into Trumps's integrity. Billionaires always stick together.

    As you'll probably know, Guiliani was Mayor at the time of 9/11 and the one who saw to it that all of the steel girders from the collapsed towers were VERY quickly removed and sold off to China, thereby getting rid of any evidence of explosives. Add to that the fact that he and his buddies were supposed to have been in WT7 that very day in their fortified offices but 'coincidentally' didn't go there on the day the building was 'unexpectedly' brought down.

    Extract from news article..
    'As secretary of state, Mr. Giuliani, a loyal, often ferocious backer of Mr. Trump’s candidacy, would make fighting Islamist terrorism the centerpiece of the incoming administration’s foreign policy. He vaulted to national prominence because of his leadership after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and he still views foreign policy through the prism of that day.

    But Mr. Giuliani’s business ties are a major red flag. He built a lucrative consulting and speechmaking career after leaving City Hall. His firm, Giuliani Partners, has had contracts with the government of Qatar and the Canadian company that is building the Keystone XL oil pipeline, and Mr. Giuliani has given paid speeches to a shadowy Iranian opposition group that until 2012 was on the State Department’s list of foreign terrorist organizations.

    God help the US if these are the kind of people Trump appoints to office.
     
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    Temp you suprise me constantly... You really do... You have facts checked and facts straight I absolutely love it! Now I do agree on the Giuliani having a falldown when supporting Bush and the Iraq War back in the day of 9/11. Now I just have to say that I don't want to argue about Trump anymore sorry my man it's just a waste of time, not that I argued here with someone about him directly, but people will have their own political biases and that's the end of it. Now about the people he appoints I do have to say that even Gingritch is not the best person I would support also near Trump, but as long as these guys are kept in check I do trust them more than democrats in many places at least if they are kept in check by Trump. Now ofc I respect what you wrote in case of Giuliani I have nothing to offset that. He maybe even immoral prick, although I do give him benefit of the doubt at least AS OF NOW. Still we just have to wait and see and time will tell about Trump and his camp. I do trust Trump! Just recently he gathered all the media heads and owners and told them to their face they are all DISGRACES! Which they ofc are. Mainstream media IS FUCKED and that's awesome! http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/trum...or-private-meeting-and-lets-them-have-it.html

    My man I took the time to read all that you wrote and ofc you know yours very very well. I will go more general now and less specific and just explain my overall view on the economy don't know if I get into the problem of hyperinflation right in this post or later on since the general stuff I feel are more important for me to lay the groundwork so you understand my vision for a healthy economy in full first.

    So that's what Schiff and at least I support to a wide degree. Here is my essay. Lets forget about money systems etc. The point of the economy is to be PRODUCTIVE. This means that economy as it progresses gives people more freedom aka more leisure leaving them with more time for their families and hobbies, vacations and supports their REASONABLE lifestyles and more comfort WHILE maintaining the effort needed from people to keep it progressing for the people's benefit. Psychologically it would leave people in ideal world doing ONLY the things they love doing,- which includes being totally lazy for a lazyman if he so chooses (now ofc these people can't remain lazy all the time simply because they will get bored and they will get back to being productive,- for themselves and that way for the society at large). Everybody has some value to offer. Now okay lets forget partially what I wrote above and focus on more realistic approach.

    Productive economy means that all the best technologies, products and services get more accessible to consumers. Now how do they become more accessible? ONLY IN ONE WAY. And that's cheaper prices. Now some might argue that the prices may remain the same but the quality of the product will become better which is actually supporting the previous argument for cheaper prices because for example you can buy now Luxury BMW by the cost of Superior BMW,- so it's still that the prices go cheaper with bettering the quality of the product. Same with quantity you can buy more Superior BMW's. So it's really all about the asking price of a standard product/service/technology (I'll call this holy trio products here in future). So this is very fundamental to everything we call economy. Prices getting cheaper constantly as products get more accessible to the people in all cruicial areas of their lives. This also means everybody getting wealthier together. Note I am not talking about deflation directly as deflation itself could be bad, I am talking purely about consumer prices.

    So with this postulate we continue our logical thinking. As long as you see consumer prices going up while the paychecks are still same or EVEN lower you KNOW you are dealing with an unproductive economy. Now what did change from this classical view? Basically Keynes came in and argued that in short term horizon the rise in INFLATION (not consumer prices at least directly) will most likely mean a rise in productivity. Now note that he himself told repeatedly this can only be done via short term bursts. Boosting the economy that way I also believe is a viable option with just one asterix! AS LONG AS THE CONSUMER PRICES IN ECONOMY CONTINUE TO DROP THE INCREASE IN MONEY SUPPLY IS NOT A PROBLEM. The real problem comes in when the money supply increase makes economy unproductive. Note we do not have to think about cause and effect or causality or anything more complicated than from the point of view of the consumer. With same number of jobs, incomes for businessess and paychecks etc did the consumer prices rise or fall? If they fall it's all good. Now I think you know the real answer to that Storm as prices in our economies mostly RISE and people can't quite catch up to them in terms of their paychecks. And this is what in long run irradicates the middle class and makes them poorer.
     
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    I CONTINUE THE POST ABOVE:​

    This logic brings us to following conclusions. There is a middle ground for interest rates in the economy. They shouldn't be too high or too low, both can be bad and bring unproducitivity. Also actually interest rates should be set by the free market and not FED as with every other thing in true capitalism. Hyperinflation to me is possible just because of the fact of more and more money entering the economy. People run to spend this money on all sorts of things (even if we talk about wealthy bankers as first people who get the slice of the biggest pie,- this money WILL enter the economy) while the production is simply not up to par which makes consumer prices rise to a wild degree. As of now we have to be very careful in understanding that most FED current operations in the market are buying up the treasuries with newly printed money and not the other way around. As we agree it does act as the biggest sole buyer of the treasuries and there is no stopping the treasury issue machine! More and more money enters the economy and it will enter only more because of the compound interest mathematics. What can happen at some point ofc is that sometime FED can reverse its operations and what will end up happening is that US government will simply go bankrupt that's it because it has no ways of paying the interest (OFC IT HAS NO MEANS OF PAYING AT LEAST 70%-100% OF PRINCIPAL EITHER LOL). And now it won't matter if Treasury will owe it to FED or simple people it simply won't have no means to do that. But this is exact reason why FED actually OWNS the USA Government already. USA OWES great deal of money to FED, which is the sole monopoly holder on printing rights for the dollar. Funny isn't it? Ironic rather. This is the fucking system we are in.

    *As we discussed taxing is not an option and a temporary solution at best and at worst it will also simply KILL the economy making USA bankrupt just different way lol.
     
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    Continuing with this socio-economic corner stuff

    I think the nr1. thing I could really hate in life is stupidity. I actually do not hate the people below, but this is how stupid can people become... This is from where the real origins of madness start. People think that madness is a disease, but actually a lot of it is rather people just not being able to look at the world for what it is. Storm I think you will appreciate it :D




    The liberal and progressive movement has become an official cult. I loved the video below about Cult behaviours and even HoP can become a cult so we really need to be careful about what it is that is getting fed in our minds


     
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    More about cults if anybody interested. This one really fucking interesting to me...

     
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    Cant read all your posts here guys.. but if really want understend all about this theme i advice u read this site https://aftershock.news
    Here u can add info about all economist and politic issue and things..
    But!!! Info on Russian.. (((
     
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    Hahahah you are right, its total crap.

    Yep I did watch now both videos, very interesting stuff. The first video....well plainly she is just anti western, and operates from position of victim and wronged party. People like that tend to only remember the wrongs of the past but not what has been given or being given. About her character, independency is always good choice to take, what ever the motives, but when it comes into ignorancy and anti educational thinking, its downright stupid as you said.

    The second video much more interesting, psychology is always interesting subject as human behaviour. We all surely have need from time to time to think about our own and beheviour at other people. This cult thinking can also cut in any direction if you did pay attention, even the ideals or beheviours you support...or me. So surely this is one of those things that needs constant vigilance.

    I love having these discussions and we are still on the middle of previous huge talk, but I will resume on that later :).
     
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    WHAHAHAAH love it love it love it!

    Allright I have some business to attend to now, so I have to get off the forum for a while, but I feel we are on some amazing educating discussion here Storm! Can't wait to have fun this way! :).

    I will also write out some thoughts about cults a bit later on and so forth, go a bit indeep into this topic, and sure we can resume economic talks as well. I feel it's great name to have on this topic which is socio-economic forum, meaning we discuss the socium and economical aspects of the socium for example psychology! WOOOO!

    Later I think one of us should create also a corner for literature and arts. :)
     
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    One more thing Storm. Look at this commercial! AND THEN LOOK AT THE RATINGS OF IT ON YT!!!

    Total feminazi shit here.



    This is now boycotted thank GOD USA people still have brains lol. Commercials like this are really disgusting and again just showing how cult thinking of the liberal agenda can influence even friggin automotive industry.

     
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